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NEW!! NEW!! NEW!! NEW!! NEW!! NEW!! NEW!! NEW!! NEW!! NEW!! 1963 Daytona R2/4-speed Skytop – by John Metzker
Foreword
from your Webmaster – The first SDC International Meet I ever attended was in Springfield MO
in 1985. Two cars still stick in my mind – Lee & Mary Blair’s silver 1962
Daytona Skytop with its tasteful custom touches, and John Metzker’s outstanding
1963 Daytona Skytop with R2/4-speed. Quite a while back, I sent John a picture
taken at that meet of him sitting in his Skytop, and asked for more information
on the car. John graciously provided the following ‘Skytop Story’ about this
car. Many thanks to John for taking the time to put this down ‘on paper’, and
my apologies for taking so long to get it added to the website. Here
are a couple of pictures taken by your Webmaster at the 1985 SDC
International Meet in Springfield MO. Yes, that cool dude is your Turning Wheels Co-Operator Advisor for Automatic Transmissions John Metzker sitting in his recently finished Skytop! (Double-click the pictures to bring up larger versions)
From John Metzker - You contacted me some time ago, to inquire about a Skytop I once owned, and I promised I would send you its story; here it is! The
car in Question, a 1963 Daytona Skytop, with the R2 / 4 speed "super package",
Ermine white with the Chestnut/white interior, that you saw in 1985 at the International
Meet in Missouri, had a very humble beginning. It was sold new at Rancho Motors
Studebaker in Hollywood, California to a Mr. W.O. Teeter, in 1963. I
knew this because his name was written on the Owners Manual that I received
with the car when I purchased it. It had little significance to me at the time;
however, some years after I sold the car I connected with him by an odd quirk
of fate. Being a Co-Operator contributing editor for Turning Wheels, I receive mail from all over the country. One day I
received a communication from a fellow somewhere in the south; his last name
was Teeter and he used just his first and middle initials ahead of it like the
name I remembered on the Owners Manual. Although the initials weren't the same,
I thought because the format and last name were the same, there had to be a
connection. So, included with my response to his technical question that
involved a '65 Cruiser, I asked if he knew a person of similar name that had
once owned a Skytop. A week or so later I received in the mail a letter from
W.O. Teeter himself! It seems that his son was the person who had contacted me initially.
Mr.
Teeter was quite surprised to learn of the cars continued existence and was
able to fill in the blanks of its history prior to entering my life. He and his
family resided in Riverside,
California in 1963. He worked in L.A. and this is how he
came to purchase the car. He needed an economical car to commute to work and
back. The Skytop fit the bill; the overhead valve six and automatic it came
equipped with was just right. It had a bench seat and no radio, so the price
must have been attractive. He told me they used it as a family car up until
1972. By that time they had moved to Cypress, California, a suburb of L.A.,
in Orange County
(think Disneyland). I live in a neighboring
city, and this is how the car became known to me. Sometime toward the end of
1971, the rear end gave out on the car. They took it to their local mechanic,
who worked out of a filling station (remember those days?). It seems the cost
was more than they cared to spend, so they received permission to park it at
the station with a For Sale sign on it. Enter owner number two, Jim Holsonbake.
Jim was, and still is, my life long best friend and Studebaker buddy. He, like
I, has Studebaker fluid in his blood. It seems as though his wife of the time
was, as are all good Studebaker wives, deftly trained in the art of finding and
reporting Studes for sale. Such was the case when she came home one afternoon
and told Jim of the nice looking Lark she had seen for sale. She wasn't able to
tell much about the car from the street, but she did say that it looked as
though it "……..had a blanket or some rags on the roof"? Jim purchased
the car for a song, put a used rear end from a wrecking yard under it and had a
very nice original driver.
Never
content with the status quo, and in part because I was putting the finishing
touches on a R2 4-speed conversion in a '63 Regal 2-dr., Jim thought about
changing the Skytop to 8 cyl motivation. This became reality with the purchase
of a wrecked '63 R1 4-speed powered, disc brake equipped Daytona, with power
steering, TT rear end, but no sun roof. Over the next year the conversion took
place; however a Powershift transmission was substituted for the 4-speed. The
result was a nice car, but the factory paint was showing its age, the green
bucket seats from the wrecked car were tattered, not to mention that they
clashed terribly with the original Chestnut, and the original sun roof was in
need of replacement. Jim drove it infrequently over the next several years, and
around 1980 or 1981 He began downsizing his fleet.
I
had sold all of my cars in 1978 to help with the down payment on my first
house. As I had since recovered from that purchase, and was looking for a new
Stude project, Jim made me an offer I couldn't refuse on not just the Skytop,
but a VERY rough Avanti (my first). Since the Lark was running, and just needed
a "little fixing up" (famous last words), the Avanti was put in
storage and a "light" restoration begun. Nothing fancy, just a nice
driver. What you saw in Missouri The R1 was converted to R2 specs (fairly
easy) and the Powershift was removed and replaced with a 4-speed and Hurst shifter (only non-stock
piece on the car). I installed a 160 speedo & factory tach, as well as the
rear swaybar and traction bars. The
traction bars (radius rods) were the most involved part of the upgrade. The
frame brackets were welded to the top of the frame prior to the body being
installed. To do this after means removing the body, or cutting access holes in
the floor. To me, cutting the floor was not an option, so, off came the body!
The springs were replaced with HD units, and the exhaust system replaced,
including the optional R3 headers. Phil Brown took the time to locate a
complete NOS chestnut interior from Newman & Altman for me, and most of the
outside trim and moldings were NOS as well. The top was replaced in black
(originally white) as I felt it would be easier to keep looking nice. My goal
was to make this car as I would have ordered it new, had I been old enough, and
financially able, in 1963. Turns out, I really couldn't afford it in 1985
either. The project got away from me, and to repay MasterCard, I was forced to
sell it. That is why it was at the meet when you saw it.
Ray
Miller, of Elkhart Indiana, a well known collector, purchased
it at the end of the meet. I delivered it to him on my way home, and he
displayed it in his private museum for several years. So, after 22 years, she
was back home. In the '90's, Ray sold the car to a fellow in Georgia, in the Atlanta area. A few years after, I heard that
it had sold again, and at that point I lost its whereabouts. This past summer
[2009], Jon Myer (Myer's Studebaker Parts, Duncan
Falls, Ohio)
came for a visit to California
after the International Meet. He and I became close friends in the early '70's when
he lived in L.A.
He and I were reminiscing, and the Skytop came into the discussion. He knows
the current owner, and where he lives. He says that she is being well cared
for, and gets delivered to shows in an enclosed trailer!
Ironically,
Jim Holsonbake, who now lives in DeSoto
IL, has another Skytop, a very
nice, original, '63 Cruiser. It is black, with a beautiful red broadcloth
interior. It was sold in Illinois new, came to
Downey California
in '66 and was purchased there by Jim In the '80's. It went back to Illinois with him about
four years ago.
Webmaster's notes -- The Registry lists the current owner of this car as Gary Williams of Ohio. More pictures of this beautiful car can be seen here on the Surviving Skytop page, about 2/3rds of the way down the page. |
A Skytop Comes My Way – by Robert Andrews
So there I sat, in front of my
computer, minding my own business. I had
just gotten home from work, and as is my usual routine, sat down to check my
e-mail. I waded through the usual business stuff, answering those that
needed it. That done, I looked at my personal e-mails. That's where
a particular title caught my eye...
The title said "Want a 4-door
Skytop??" The message was from my young friend Matthew
Burnette. Naturally I opened that immediately! It seems Matthew had
come upon a 62 Lark Regal, 4 door sedan, in mid-restoration for sale. He
had been interested, but had decided to pass, since it was in Boston, MA-
a long haul from his home in GA. Those that know me know that I have a
particular affinity for Larks. I also am building a 62 2dr. HT Skytop,
and have made no secret of the fact that I love the Skytop option. Being
that I hail from central New York State, a mere 6 hours from Boston, Matthew thought I might be
interested. Of course, he was right on the money- to say I was interested
was an understatement!
The e-mail told of the above car.
It had been in storage since 1989, partially restored, and included many NOS
parts. The owner had lost his storage, and the car had to go ASAP.
I took the information, thanked my buddy, and wrote the owner.
It took a few days, but Mack, the
seller, did eventually get back to me. He had owned the car for
years. In the 80s he began to amass NOS parts for the restoration.
He had cut out the rusted floors and trunk floor and replaced them with all new
panels from Classic Enterprises. The underside and very clean frame had
been coated with POR-15. Once the floors were done, progress stopped
there, and held there nearly 20 years. Mack always kept it safely
indoors, and made the effort to occasionally turn the engine to keep it
free. He rattled off a list of parts with it that was quite
impressive! Of course I asked for pictures; Mack didn't have any recent
photos, just a few black and white shots taken in the garage- not very
descriptive. The price was in my opinion fair for what the car is, so
although I would have preferred a few more pictures, a price was agreed upon,
we hitched up the trusty tow dolly, and headed to Boston.
We followed the direction of the GPS to
an address just a few blocks from Foxboro Stadium. As we pulled in we
were greeted with a smile and a handshake from Mack. He escorted us to a
small two-bay garage with open doors. As we approached I recognized the back
end and decklid of a Lark, sans rear panel. There she was! We
walked in and I was greeted by a Metallic Silver Deluxe sedan. She's
something of a Plain-Jane: 259 V8, manual trans. without O/D, red vinyl
reclining bench, no PS or PB, radio delete. The only two options that
jump out at you are door panels with the pouches (Cruiser?) and of course that
Skytop! The Skytop registry shows it to be just one of THREE known to
exist!
It took about 5 seconds for me to
realize she had to come home with me! So Mack and I cleared some boxes
off it and rolled her outside. We re-hung the removed doors on the
driver's side, and began loading the parts. There were NOS front and rear
panels, fenders and inner fenders, and RR fender. We loaded the bigger
panels in the van, and the smaller items in the car. As Linda and I
loaded the boxes, Mack repeatedly pulled boxes off shelves containing more
goodies, all NOS: Seat covers, seat belts, headliner, trim pieces, Hill
Holder, etc.- all still in their original boxes! It was overwhelming.
Anything that would fit the car was pulled from the garage and loaded up; the
interior of the car was full, as well as the back of the van! She was
pushed onto the dolly and secured, and we went inside to wash up and exchange
money for title. Mack produced the title, two sets of original keys, the
Production Order for the car, and a big stack of receipts for parts bought and
lovingly accumulated over 20 years. The trip home along I-90 was safe and
uneventful, save for dust and the occasional shred of the deteriorated top
material blowing away.
Upon arrival at home, all the parts
were removed and cataloged, and stored away. Upon closer examination,
the odometer shows 54K miles. Mack believes that to be original miles; he
bought the car from the original elderly lady owner. The engine
compartment is very clean, complete, and original- the cowl tag still had the
"Sky.top" streamer still in place- rare indeed! That tag is
currently removed, and I am working with a machinist friend to try and duplicate
the unique typeface for others. Another interesting aspect of the car is
the original dash- it's in mint condition in its original bright red, single
color, no padding. I've never seen one exactly like it!
Currently the car is
securely stored away inside, safe from the nasty Central
New York winters. Plans are of course to treat her to a
complete top-notch restoration. If necessary she may eventually pass to a
new owner who can finish her, since I currently have other Studes ahead of
her. Most importantly, she's safe from harm, the crusher, and the
cannibals; that's only right for a car this significant and special!
Addendum: Robert sold his 4-door Skytop to Joseph Barrier of Omaha NE in 2009.
Robert
sold his 4-door Skytop to Joseph Barrier of Omaha NE in 2009. To find
out more, and for more pictures, go to the Surviving Skytop page here and scroll down approximately 2/3rds of the way!! |
How I Got My Skytop – by
Ron Neil My grandfather
had worked in a Studebaker garage in Garden Grove
and Visalia,
CA. before I was born. I remember stories he had told me about the 1941
Studebaker Land Cruisers that he had restored in the 40's & 50's,
claimed that all of them were the best cars he had owned. I know he had
restored 14 1941 Land Cruisers plus a 52 Commander and claimed that the 39's
would draw blood just looking at them; I assume he had bad experiences with the
39's. My father also into Studebakers had a 63 Avanti while I was in high
school and a 54 Commander HT that he still owns. Anyway,
after my grandfather’s death I started to think it would be nice for me to
start a car project. My first attempt was a ‘63 Chevy II, it was ok but
seemed to be a cheaply built and I got bored with it quickly. After I sold it
to my nephew I started looking for a Lark. Not known to me, my father had
befriended another Stude owner (Bob Kabchef) in the area. Bob and I met up for
an afternoon of searching; he had known where most of the Studes were in the
area. I was looking for a 60's vintage like Bobs ‘60 convertible. He had told
me about a ‘63 Daytona Skytop in the area, I liked the ‘63's but knew nothing
about Skytops. We went to where the car was but the owner had moved, and it was
not found.About a month
later I ran across a ‘64 Commander 2 dr V8 with A/C and decided this would make
a good project; it only need a minor tune up and became my daily driver. The
following year Bob had located the ‘63 in the back of a shop in a nearby town.
We made arrangements to see this car; I was excited to see it, the price was
right but it was just before Christmas. I told the owner I would come up with
the money after the holidays. When I contacted the owner again he was in the
process of loading the car onto a trailer. He informed me that some guy had
come by with the cash and was taking it the same day. I was upset of the loss
but decided it was not the time to have that car and something else would show
up. Bob and I stayed
in contact over the next few years, bringing up that he had seen the ‘63 in
town but could not find the new owner. Finally he had made contact. The car had
been changed, the reclining seat with head rest and rear seats had been removed
and replaced with some GM seats. The rear end had blown out and a GM rear end
was installed, and they were looking to trade for a truck. My truck was not
what they was looking for, so again I watched the ‘63 leave without me.After sometime
passed I thought I would like a Stude wagon as a project; contacting Bob again
he informed me that he had found the ‘63 again, this time in a junk used
car yard. That night after work I went by and saw not only the ‘63 but
also a ‘60 wagon like I was looking for. I made arrangements for the cars on
the spot. The ‘63 started and I was able (with a lot of prayers) to get the car
home. The ‘60 on the other hand was missing a transmission and tires. With Bobs
help and generosity we were able to get the ‘60 to his place for storage. For the
last 10 years I have been collecting parts to for the Skytop and hope to start
it right after I finish the wagon.
Ron's
car is interesting in that it has a two-page Production Order. At some
point after it was initially built, the destination was changed from
Texas to California, and split reclining front seats with headrests
were installed. The Production Orders above can be enlarged by
double-clicking them. |
Lost Skytop Opportunity – by Neil Guver In 1968 I spent my summer break from college
working in Berwick Penna. at the local AGWAY INC farm & feed
supply store. The local Studebaker dealer Brown Motors must have been very good
at selling Studes because I saw Studebakers all over town. I came to town in a
60 hawk but within a week I traded it in on a 62 GT hawk at the local Buick
dealer used car lot. Brown Motors had several Studes for sale, but a ‘64 Hawk Powershift,
‘64 Daytona, 4 speed, ‘63 Avanti R1 were all way out of my price range. At our
Agway store, all the employees drove Studebaker’s .The manager drove a 56 President
Classic, our truck driver had a 62 Lark 4door and I had my 62 GT. Our regional
fertilizer salesman would come to the store maybe once a week drove a 61 Skytop
two door sedan. It was a 259 V8 with auto trans., a light tan color with tan
interior. He offered to sell me the car for $400.00 but with just buying the
GT, there was no way I could afford another Studebaker so I had to pass on it.
I think that is the only Skytop I can remember seeing over the years. |
UPDATED!! UPDATED!! UPDATED!! UPDATED!! UPDATED!! UPDATED!! The First Studebaker Skytops – by Ed
Reynolds
In response to a
question of whether his father was involved with the Skytop option, Ed Reynolds
wrote: “No, my father was not directly
involved in developing the Skytop and I have no idea with whom they dealt. I do recall him saying that vendors were constantly
contacting them and trying to interest them in their wares.”
“The first Skytop prototype that I recall was actually the 1960 Lark
hardtop prototype. After the introduction of the 1960's models I
believe that
this black hardtop had the Skytop installed in it. They would frequently use the past years
prototypes to try out new items as was done with this sunroof. I recall that the 1961 prototype Regal 4-door
painted Autumn Haze was the 1961 showcar and had the Skytop option. This car is in the brochure. I believe
that the 1961 hardtop is also shown in one of the photos but the Skytop is air
brushed in. My dad had all of these cars
as his company car at one time and so I was very familiar with them.” “The first
production Skytop was the first 1961Cruiser off the line. Engineering had it built and kept it to check
for leaks, and it was used by Gene Hardig as a company car. It was later
assigned to my dad and he later bought it for my mother to drive. The car was Jade Green and the top was
white. It had a 289 with an auto trans. It was later traded for a brand X. I saw it driving around South Bend later and it looked rusty. This was many years ago and I am sure that
the car did not survive. Attached is the
photo of the Cruiser. It originally was on a 35mm slide and I scanned it
from a photo and then cropped out the surrounding area.” The first production Skytop - a 1961 Cruiser discussed above; picture courtesy of Ed Reynolds
The
first Skytop prototype - installed in the 1960 Lark hardtop prototype
as described by Ed Reynolds above. Picture courtesy of Richard Quinn
and the Studebaker National Museum. Note the Skotch Coolers shown in the picture - several SDC members collect these, including Ray & Linda Fichthorn.
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Memories of a Childhood Studebaker - by Drew Helgeson & Bill Pressler
Drew emailed
about some photocopies of pages from a Studebaker Shop Manual, detailing the
Skytop mechanism. “These pages were acquired by my father in the early 70's to
help with the replacement of the Skytop on our car. I was only about 8
years old when my parents bought this Studebaker. I loved (and still do)
old cars. The family we bought it from had a restored 1947 Stude
Convertible. This Skytop Lark was going to get restored, but then a 1961 Hawk
was found. My parents were really good friends (still are) with the
family that owned this Lark - we ended up buying it. We owned the car for
about 7 or 8 years, and it was sold just about when I got my driver's license.
I learned a lot about auto mechanics on that Lark. The car from my
childhood? Bill Pressler's 1963 R1 Daytona.” “My younger
brother was contacted by Bill Pressler a few years ago (about 10?) when he
registered his R1 Lark with the Jet-Thrust group. The family (Gustafson)
that we bought the Lark from and we (Helgeson) were the missing links in his
car's history.” “My parents
always talked about giving me the Stude, but they never did. My dad
always worried about not being able to buy parts to keep it on the road.
I always wanted to restore the car - a full, off the frame restoration.
The 'mud' that is mentioned was my body-work attempt. Today, I am in the
process of restoring a 1972 MGB. But, I still collect Studebaker toys and
models.” “When we bought
the Lark, the air conditioner was not in the car. When we were about to
move in 1972, my dad traded a house window air conditioner for the A/C unit
that used to be in the Stude. Mr. Gustafson was an auto mechanic
instructor for a vocational school, and the A/C unit went into their family's
1964 Ford Station Wagon. During the summer of 1972, Dick G. and my dad
installed the A/C unit. The entire front end (sheetmetal) had been
removed. I remember the RUST - boy, was that car rough! We had new
sheetmetal bought, inner and outer fenders, and trim. I still have some
of those receipts - fenders were less than $30 - OEM STEEL. DAYTONA
scripts were $0.25.” After emailing Bill
Pressler, I received this response: “I had met Doug
Helgeson, Drew's brother, at the '97 (I think) South Bend National. He
seemed pleased to see the car again. We had corresponded some previously,
and he had sent me an artistic rendering he had done in school based on a photo
of the Lark. I keep it in the bound notebook of stuff related to my Lark
and it gets displayed with the car at shows.” “The fellow Mr.
Helgeson bought the car from was a Mr. Dick Gustafson of Austin, MN.
He was an auto shop teacher. The car was sold by Dick to the Helgeson's
for $400! Dick had bought the car a year or two earlier for $500 from a
used-car lot in Owatonna, MN. Helgeson’s owned the car from
1970-79. It was bought by Ira Schreiber (used to post on the Stude NG as
"Iron Frame" or something like that) of Lincoln, NE in '79, and Ira
sold it at the '83 National meet in SB to Richard James of Fredericktown, OH,
whom I still see at Ohio Region SDC meets and who's a real nice guy.
Richard sold it to Rick and Shirley Greene of Galena, OH
in '85, and I bought it in May '88 from Rick. The Greene's were also real
nice folks. I paid $2,600 for the car which may have been about a
thousand too high, once I got it home (!), but Rick did describe it
accurately...I was just naive!” “The history of
my car is lost from about '65 or so, 'til Mr. Gustafson bought the car in '68
or '69.”
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